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Listing and choosing: と, や, とか, か, たり

Every way of putting items together: complete lists, example lists, 'A or B', 'both A and B', and listing actions with 〜たり〜たり. Includes which to use when you mean 'all' and when you mean 'for example'.

About 5 minutes to read

Japanese has several words for "and", and they are not interchangeable. The main question: is the list complete or just examples?

Complete lists: と

と joins nouns in a closed list: exactly these, no more.

犬いぬdogとand猫ねこcatを 飼かっているkeep
I keep a dog and a cat. (just those two)

と joins nouns only, never verbs or sentences. For those you use other tools (て-form, 〜し, 〜たり).

Example lists: や, とか, など

や joins nouns as examples: "A and B and similar things".

りんごappleやand (e.g.)みかんmandarinを 買かったbought
I bought apples, mandarins and so on.

とか is the casual version, and it can also join verbs and clauses:

映画えいがmovieとかor the like本ほんbookとかor the likeが 好すきliked
I like things like movies and books.
休やすみの日ひday offは 寝ねるsleepとかor掃除そうじするcleanとかorしているdo
On my days off I do things like sleep and clean.

など ("etcetera") goes after the last item:

りんごappleや みかんmandarinなどand so on
apples, mandarins, and so on

You may combine: AやBなど. For three or more items, 〜や〜や〜など.

Stacking with に

A casual way to pile things up, mostly in speech and food menus:

サンドイッチ にandミルク にandコーヒー 
A sandwich, and milk, and coffee!The list builds up, with a feeling of "and also, and also".

Either or: か, または, それとも

か between nouns means "or":

コーヒー かor紅茶こうちゃteaを ください 
Coffee or tea, please. (one of them)

For choices in a question, use それとも:

コーヒー です か それともor紅茶こうちゃteaです か 
Is it coffee or tea?

A か B か: used for "whether A or B":

行いくgoかor行いかないnot goか(whether)決きめてdecideいない 
I haven't decided whether to go or not.

Both and neither: も〜も

も〜も means "both ... and" in a positive sentence and "neither ... nor" in a negative one.

犬いぬdogもboth猫ねこcatもand好すきliked
I like both dogs and cats.
肉にくmeatもneither魚さかなfishもnor食たべないeat
I eat neither meat nor fish.

Listing actions: 〜たり〜たり

For verbs, use the たり form: the past form plus り (食べた → 食べたり). Two or more actions, as examples of what you do, followed by する.

週末しゅうまつweekendは 本ほんbookを 読よんだりread映画えいがmovieを 見みたりseeする* 
On weekends I read books, watch movies and so on.
食たべたりeat飲のんだりdrinkしてdo遊あそんだplayed
We ate, drank and so on and had fun.

It also works with opposites to show repetition or alternation:

行いったりgo来きたりcomeしているare doing
He keeps going back and forth.
雨あめrainが 降ふったりfall止やんだりstopしているis
It's raining on and off.

Notice the structure: each verb is in the past form plus り, and する comes last, carrying the tense. The sentence lists examples, not everything you do.

With adjectives and nouns

たり also works with adjectives and だ:

暑あつかったりhot寒さむかったりcoldする* 
It's hot sometimes and cold sometimes.

Comparison of list words

WordList typeJoinsFeel
とcompletenounsneutral
やexamplesnounsneutral
とかexamplesnouns, verbs, clausescasual
などetc.after last itemneutral
かchoice (or)nouns, clausesneutral
も〜もboth / neithernounsneutral
〜たり〜たりexamples of actionsverbs, adjectivesneutral
て-formsequence of actionsverbsneutral

Longer sentences

Lists in real writing mix complete lists, example lists and alternatives. Identify which is which.

週末しゅうまつはon weekends友達ともだちとwith friends映画えいがをmovies見みにto see行いったりgo and、 家いえでat home掃除そうじやcleaning and洗濯せんたくをlaundryしたりdo and、 本ほんをbook読よんだりしてread, doing things like that過すごしますspend (time)
On weekends I spend my time doing things like going to the movies with friends, doing chores such as cleaning and laundry, and reading books.
夕食ゆうしょくはdinnerカレーかcurry orラーメンかramen orどちらかにeither oneしようとtrying to make it思おもっていますがI'm thinking, but肉にくもmeat魚さかなもfish食たべないdon't eat友達ともだちがfriend来くるのでis coming, so困こまっていますI'm in a bind
For dinner I'm thinking of either curry or ramen, but a friend who eats neither meat nor fish is coming, so I'm in a bind.

Key points

  • と = complete list of nouns. や / とか / など = examples.
  • か = or. それとも = or (in a question).
  • も〜も = both (positive) / neither (negative).
  • 〜たり〜たり + する lists example actions.

Drill these patterns

Short example sentences for the points in this lesson: