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〜が〜なら

if A is like that, (no wonder B is too)

Noun A が Noun A なら、Noun B も Noun B だ

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AがAなら、BもBだ says that A and B are as bad as each other: 親が親なら、子も子だ, "like parent, like child", said critically.

A and B are a related pair: parent and child, boss and staff, shop and customer, husband and wife, teacher and student. Repeating each noun means "the kind of X they are". The tone is always disapproving: both sides are to blame.

It's a fixed rhetorical pattern, common in conversation, gossip and TV dramas, and you can't make it positive.

Compare the proverb あの親にしてこの子あり (N1's にして), which can be either admiring or critical.

Examples

  • 親おやが親おやなら、子こも子こだ。

    Like parent, like child.

  • 上司じょうしが上司じょうしなら、部下ぶかも部下ぶかだ。

    The boss is bad, and his staff are no better.

  • 店みせが店みせなら、客きゃくも客きゃくだ。

    The shop is dodgy, and the customers are just as bad.

  • 夫おっとが夫おっとなら、妻つまも妻つまだ。

    The husband is bad, and the wife is no better.

  • 先生せんせいが先生せんせいなら、生徒せいとも生徒せいとだ。

    The teacher is hopeless, and so are the students.